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		<title>Comment on Why Canadians Don&#8217;t Vote by Mark Crowley</title>
		<link>http://popthestack.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/why-canadians-dont-vote/#comment-510</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right...so how does that relate to why Canadians do or do not vote? And just to clarify, what about immigrants who are citizens, and thus voters, can they stay? (see what I&#039;m doing? I&#039;m trying to link my comment to the topic of the article, its easy! Now you try.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right&#8230;so how does that relate to why Canadians do or do not vote? And just to clarify, what about immigrants who are citizens, and thus voters, can they stay? (see what I&#8217;m doing? I&#8217;m trying to link my comment to the topic of the article, its easy! Now you try.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Canadians Don&#8217;t Vote by tina</title>
		<link>http://popthestack.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/why-canadians-dont-vote/#comment-509</link>
		<dc:creator>tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think  the  goverment should send  all  of the  immagrants home  than maybe   ill  have  job  so  i  can  pay my bills</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think  the  goverment should send  all  of the  immagrants home  than maybe   ill  have  job  so  i  can  pay my bills</p>
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		<title>Comment on Green light in the sky, the mystery continues by Nathan Harr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Harr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if I experienced the same thing, but I was just on my late night walk with my dog and I saw two green light flashes strike low across the sky. Both fell perpendicular to each other. It was the oddest thing. It seemed like they should have been fireworks, but they came from opposite directions and lasted different amounts of time before fading away. I did notice that the larger&#039;s trail seemed to remain in the sky after about 5 seconds. (Like dust or smoke)

Very strange. I was just amazed by the first and walking home to tell my parents when I glanced back again to see the other briefly flash perpendicular to the first. 

It was very beautiful, and I want to say it was something from space, but it was so low. My first instinct was to Google Space Shuttle crashes. Apparently, when the Columbia was destroyed, the falling pieces looked similar to what I experienced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if I experienced the same thing, but I was just on my late night walk with my dog and I saw two green light flashes strike low across the sky. Both fell perpendicular to each other. It was the oddest thing. It seemed like they should have been fireworks, but they came from opposite directions and lasted different amounts of time before fading away. I did notice that the larger&#8217;s trail seemed to remain in the sky after about 5 seconds. (Like dust or smoke)</p>
<p>Very strange. I was just amazed by the first and walking home to tell my parents when I glanced back again to see the other briefly flash perpendicular to the first. </p>
<p>It was very beautiful, and I want to say it was something from space, but it was so low. My first instinct was to Google Space Shuttle crashes. Apparently, when the Columbia was destroyed, the falling pieces looked similar to what I experienced.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You thought I was crazy? Another Strategic Proposal for NDP-Libs by Mark Crowley</title>
		<link>http://popthestack.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/you-thought-i-was-crazy-another-strategic-proposal-for-ndp-libs/#comment-506</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silvaine, I couldn&#039;t agree more, but my initial proposal was considered already too aggressive, I suspect most &#039;reasonable&#039; people in the media and politics would say the same for my updated proposal or yours.  There is a common wisdom that quick progress is impossible and that all steps should be small ones.  But sometimes I fear that taking small steps will lead to go nowhere at all.  But right now this approach seems to be winning out, and if you look at other issues, there is some evidence that it works if you play it just right. Frankly I&#039;m not excited about waiting 30 years to get a fair democratic system.  And you have a good point that if really wait that long then it may be too late for it to have any useful effect on our environmental policies if there is not environment yet to preserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silvaine, I couldn&#8217;t agree more, but my initial proposal was considered already too aggressive, I suspect most &#8216;reasonable&#8217; people in the media and politics would say the same for my updated proposal or yours.  There is a common wisdom that quick progress is impossible and that all steps should be small ones.  But sometimes I fear that taking small steps will lead to go nowhere at all.  But right now this approach seems to be winning out, and if you look at other issues, there is some evidence that it works if you play it just right. Frankly I&#8217;m not excited about waiting 30 years to get a fair democratic system.  And you have a good point that if really wait that long then it may be too late for it to have any useful effect on our environmental policies if there is not environment yet to preserve.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You thought I was crazy? Another Strategic Proposal for NDP-Libs by Silvaine Zimmermann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silvaine Zimmermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s one of the better strategies I&#039;ve heard - but the follow up you propose would be way too slow - we need to get the leaders of the progressive Parties to cooperate once,  get elected as a progressive alliance with a promise to reform the system before the next election so we get pro rep, and then, start having democratic elections. If we don&#039;t get this done in one swoop we won&#039;t have much left to save on our planet by the time we get around to having real democracy. But who am I kidding - ego-maniacs co-operating for the common good? The last time politicians threatned to co-operate the media made minced meat out of them. Gawwwwwd..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s one of the better strategies I&#8217;ve heard &#8211; but the follow up you propose would be way too slow &#8211; we need to get the leaders of the progressive Parties to cooperate once,  get elected as a progressive alliance with a promise to reform the system before the next election so we get pro rep, and then, start having democratic elections. If we don&#8217;t get this done in one swoop we won&#8217;t have much left to save on our planet by the time we get around to having real democracy. But who am I kidding &#8211; ego-maniacs co-operating for the common good? The last time politicians threatned to co-operate the media made minced meat out of them. Gawwwwwd&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How the Green Party Could Make a Difference by JimBobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimBobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GAB has it right. 

Greens vote GPC because they believe in the party&#039;s policies. GPC voters are idealistic enough to keep voting Green election after election knowing full well that they stand little chance of winning. 

AS GAB says, any non-compete arrangements would need to ensure that the GPC gets a good shot at winning about 7%-10% of the seats in Parliament. I think that such an outcome would require a two-way GPC-CPC race in more that 10% of the 308 ridings. 

A truly unpalatable feature: to surmount the sense of disenfranchisement that the supporters of parties who have no party representation on the ballot, the non-competing parties must campaign locally on behalf of the chosen runner. At the very least, they must wholeheartedly and publicly endorse the non-CPC candidate and thus, a party other than their own.

I voted strategically once, a few elections back. The race looked close enough  that I felt it was worth voting for the lesser evil. In the end, the greater evil prevailed and I was left with a feeling that I had betrayed my principles for nothing. 

I figger the GPC should take a page out of the Reform playbook. We oughta swallow up the Grits like they swallowed up the PC&#039;s. With the Grits in such disarray, now might be the best time for us to initiate a takeover. I betcha more Libs would want Lizzie May at the helm than MI.

JB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GAB has it right. </p>
<p>Greens vote GPC because they believe in the party&#8217;s policies. GPC voters are idealistic enough to keep voting Green election after election knowing full well that they stand little chance of winning. </p>
<p>AS GAB says, any non-compete arrangements would need to ensure that the GPC gets a good shot at winning about 7%-10% of the seats in Parliament. I think that such an outcome would require a two-way GPC-CPC race in more that 10% of the 308 ridings. </p>
<p>A truly unpalatable feature: to surmount the sense of disenfranchisement that the supporters of parties who have no party representation on the ballot, the non-competing parties must campaign locally on behalf of the chosen runner. At the very least, they must wholeheartedly and publicly endorse the non-CPC candidate and thus, a party other than their own.</p>
<p>I voted strategically once, a few elections back. The race looked close enough  that I felt it was worth voting for the lesser evil. In the end, the greater evil prevailed and I was left with a feeling that I had betrayed my principles for nothing. </p>
<p>I figger the GPC should take a page out of the Reform playbook. We oughta swallow up the Grits like they swallowed up the PC&#8217;s. With the Grits in such disarray, now might be the best time for us to initiate a takeover. I betcha more Libs would want Lizzie May at the helm than MI.</p>
<p>JB</p>
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		<title>Comment on How the Green Party Could Make a Difference by Mark Crowley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>about Liberal leadership, I understand the point, but would just say our votes are counted per member so you can support a Liberal member without supporting the party. Although in practice, I concede, the party leadership get the support.

As for bullshit, maybe you&#039;re right, I don&#039;t think it would destroy the Greens, but apparently the vote funding is half their money so I could be wrong. &lt;em&gt;Your&lt;/em&gt; idea is great though, I&#039;d be even more in favour of a joint aggreement for the NDP and Libs to strategically step aside to let the Green&#039;s get their fair share. They also have to actively endorse those candidates and the Greens would step aside in a few contentious ridings where the vote splitting might lead to a Conservative win.  There would still be those complaining that &#039;voter choice&#039; was being removed, as if there is any now, perhaps this could be reduced by having just one of the NDP or Libs step down in these strategic ridings so that voters aren&#039;t forced to choose between an unacceptable Conservative, and untested Green and not voting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>about Liberal leadership, I understand the point, but would just say our votes are counted per member so you can support a Liberal member without supporting the party. Although in practice, I concede, the party leadership get the support.</p>
<p>As for bullshit, maybe you&#8217;re right, I don&#8217;t think it would destroy the Greens, but apparently the vote funding is half their money so I could be wrong. <em>Your</em> idea is great though, I&#8217;d be even more in favour of a joint aggreement for the NDP and Libs to strategically step aside to let the Green&#8217;s get their fair share. They also have to actively endorse those candidates and the Greens would step aside in a few contentious ridings where the vote splitting might lead to a Conservative win.  There would still be those complaining that &#8216;voter choice&#8217; was being removed, as if there is any now, perhaps this could be reduced by having just one of the NDP or Libs step down in these strategic ridings so that voters aren&#8217;t forced to choose between an unacceptable Conservative, and untested Green and not voting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How the Green Party Could Make a Difference by Mark Crowley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well thats clearly not true, the polls are down right now, but there is no institutional change that indicates the Liberals cannot win, just that its still hard.  I don&#039;t think my proposal would help the Liberals very much, probably the NDP more often than the Liberals.  Although a good broad gesture would be to try to find one member from every party the Greens could support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well thats clearly not true, the polls are down right now, but there is no institutional change that indicates the Liberals cannot win, just that its still hard.  I don&#8217;t think my proposal would help the Liberals very much, probably the NDP more often than the Liberals.  Although a good broad gesture would be to try to find one member from every party the Greens could support.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How the Green Party Could Make a Difference by Mark Crowley</title>
		<link>http://popthestack.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/how-the-green-party-could-make-a-difference/#comment-499</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think May is one of their greatest assets but in hindsight (and I guess in foresight to most people) running against MacKay wasn&#039;t a great idea. I don&#039;t know that the riding they chose this time for her is the best either.  I do agree they need to somehow get more people out there as spokespeople so it doesn&#039;t seem like its Elizbeth May&#039;s party, it isn&#039;t.  The party made her change ridings for the next election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think May is one of their greatest assets but in hindsight (and I guess in foresight to most people) running against MacKay wasn&#8217;t a great idea. I don&#8217;t know that the riding they chose this time for her is the best either.  I do agree they need to somehow get more people out there as spokespeople so it doesn&#8217;t seem like its Elizbeth May&#8217;s party, it isn&#8217;t.  The party made her change ridings for the next election.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How the Green Party Could Make a Difference by Green Assassin Brigade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Assassin Brigade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how green can endorse any Lib in any riding when their leader is not acceptable to a green and progressive voter.  We all know that Libs are largely top down and a green Lib will not vote against their torture and war supporting  Oil sands loving boss.

So that leaves the NDP which would not gain enough seats through a Green gift to make a difference but would ensure the green party was dead with no funding and reduced credibility. 

 Besides, having the greens pull their candidates would be circumventing the democratic process and would rob those voters of choice, Very unNDP.  If the NDP was being truthful to their so called ideals they spouted last election about Central Nova, they would never want to accept these immoral, tainted votes.  

Everytime someone invents a new format for cooperation it always involves the greens self destruction, bullshit.  do it fairly and have the NDP and libs drop out of say 20-30 ridings where the greens could win with consolidation and also sign an agreement to bring in PR should we get a group win,   likely we would be willing to throw our support to someone else in the other 280 ish seats,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how green can endorse any Lib in any riding when their leader is not acceptable to a green and progressive voter.  We all know that Libs are largely top down and a green Lib will not vote against their torture and war supporting  Oil sands loving boss.</p>
<p>So that leaves the NDP which would not gain enough seats through a Green gift to make a difference but would ensure the green party was dead with no funding and reduced credibility. </p>
<p> Besides, having the greens pull their candidates would be circumventing the democratic process and would rob those voters of choice, Very unNDP.  If the NDP was being truthful to their so called ideals they spouted last election about Central Nova, they would never want to accept these immoral, tainted votes.  </p>
<p>Everytime someone invents a new format for cooperation it always involves the greens self destruction, bullshit.  do it fairly and have the NDP and libs drop out of say 20-30 ridings where the greens could win with consolidation and also sign an agreement to bring in PR should we get a group win,   likely we would be willing to throw our support to someone else in the other 280 ish seats,</p>
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